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There is K (J. Krishnamurty), a man we can not put in any category. There is presence of mind, openness and intensity in him. Most are fascinated with K yet not many explore what he explained over a period of seventy years with great clarity. Can we explore what K is telling us?
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To explore means not to tell other people what to do.
To explore means to replace commenting with observation.
To explore means to watch, to listen, to look ..
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hello W, gpara asked a question we could maybe treat as a new subject...
what does it mean to live the teachings, to 'fully' live the teachings, what does it mean to you ?
Thanks for activating .. I replied to gpara
What is the function of memory? What are the different stages of thinking? What is awareness?
awareness is there when we see that memory is, and thinking is, and that trying to put it in concepts or theories is a nice thing to be occupied with, but not essential for the understanding of it all.
hello to all,
fully living the teachings -- yes, this is a subject that is of real interest -- it may be worth its own thread....
(and perhaps worth examining thoroughly?)
K actually said near the end of his life that nobody is doing it. And he said that something might happen if someone did.
I agree that most people do not seem to actually do it -- there is an element of insincerity, in the sense that actions (and all of life) are not in accord with understanding.
There is a sort of split personality.
('fragmentation'?)
He has mentioned that fragmentation can be seen as: saying and thinking one thing, and doing another. (If I find that exact passage, I will post it.)
It seems that there is an opportunity both for wholeness (or non-fragmented living), and also an opportunity to explore the teachings in life, or in a more living way.
This seems like a very meaningful subject.
He also mentioned that the real meaning of the teachings comes alive in the living, not in the words, thoughts, etc, or in the unlived understanding....
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thanks for posting the core of the teachings -- they were on my mind last night and this morning, before reading this posting.
Maybe we can connect the above subject (living the teachings) with the core?
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There is a related subject: K's statements about being willing to die (I haven't listened to them yet, but there are some talks on youtube about this, talks he gave in Rishi Valley).
He said something similar in the book on livelihood -- the true vocation of man is to find truth; is it possible to stay with this, and not allow pressures or influences from society (and elsewhere)(our consciousness?)(desires?)(fears, security?)(ambitions, plans?) to sideline the finding of truth (or the living of the teachings)?
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Another side of this is: what is it not to live the teachings? (what actually happens in the way we live?)
Are the teachings, and the study of the teachings, separated from or segregated from the rest of daily living?
(Seeing these things clearly seems valuable, in understanding this subject.)
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--which brings in another point: "seeing" or "just seeing" -- sometimes it seems as if K is saying this.
Clearly, though, he also indicates that living it -- not only 'understanding' (or 'seeing'?) -- is important as well.
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((--which brings up: is seeing divorced (or segregated) from living?
--and is our seeing divorced from the teachings?))
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(these subjects seem to me worth staying with for a while)
(and exploring through actions and living as well as through dialogue)
Can we go back to the chapter about being superfacial and freeing the mind and complete this chapter? We can change the title of the chapter later if needed. Thought it is intersting to go into what are the teachings.
when will that chapter be complete? you have already an idea about it... some sort of conclusion what it should be before you can say 'it is finished now'? :)
Good point. I have no clear idea about it. I simply felt it does not answer the questions of the title yet. Then there were a few points who came up when reading some of what you wrote at the beginning. I felt there is more to it than in my first reply. But we are free to stop whenever we think this is enough now.
openness:
one notices that K does not very often use this term.
then, this evening, one happened across this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JKvz3BdB2EE&mode=related&search=
at 07:07, he says something about openness that is a bit surprising.
He speaks about openess as if it is not enough to be open. He talks about listening. Is it that he goes further, meaning it is an activity not just to open up but to listen completely. The whole mind is set to this activity, listening. The act of listening 'cleans' the mind. Nothings stands.
Listening implies that whatever is perceived contains information which can be read. Listening is different from hearing.
wonderful picture, wsb, the colourful stone,
and i liked the morningclouds too,
so much beauty is around if we are willing to see..
Was thinking of looking next into what it is to be together. - or When is the brain function wholly?
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